The Miracle Zone

021 Embodiment, Alchemy & the Magdalene Codes with Nadia Munla

• Catarina Andrade / Nadia Munla • Season 1 • Episode 21

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Welcome to another episode of The Miracle Zone Podcast! I’m excited to share this special conversation with embodiment coach and embodied facilitation  trainer, Nadia Munla. We dive into the Magdalene mysteries, (r)evolutionary leadership and erotic embodiment. Tune in as we share what it looks like to lead from love and authentic truth, hearts open in the face of miracles, the mundane, and the messiness of these times. 

Episode Summary
We explore embodiment, the power of archetypal and erotic expression, and how reconnecting with our bodies and hearts supports us in business as facilitators and in planetary transformation. Nadia shares her insights from practicing sensual movement and teaching women’s erotic embodiment over nearly two decades, and we discuss “doing the reps” at the embodiment gym, learning to hold intensity, stay open, and keep our hearts soft as the world shifts.

We touch on the Magdalene path, the risk and gift of being misunderstood, and the medicine of staying true to our hearts amid social media, the rise of AI, and chaos affecting our nervous systems. Nadia breaks down her 4 part framework of static and dynamic masculine and feminine energies, and how these help us lead authentically and hold safe space for clients with confidence. We also cover the sacredness of the body, the value of slowing down, and how we find liberation in the Miracle Zone. 

Key Takeaways
🌹 Embodiment is a revolutionary act. When we reconnect with our bodies, we contribute to planetary awakening.
🌿 The Magdalene path is about keeping our hearts open through the crumbling, trusting our truth, and being willing to be misunderstood for the sake of love.
🌀 Our bodies are the portal to the sacred; true connection to the divine happens through sensation and presence, not external intermediaries.
💡 Leadership and business thrive when we bring wholeness, balancing the static/dynamic masculine and feminine energies, and showing up authentically

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Thank you for listening!
I’m so grateful to Nadia for sharing her depth, wisdom, and humour with us today. Remember, your body is your compass, trust where it leads you. 

[00:00:00] Catarina Andrade: Hello and welcome to another episode of The Miracle Zone Podcast. And I am so excited to be here with Nadia on this very hot and sweaty day, and also a really special week because this week is Mary Magdalene's Feast Day. And so I was really excited to have Nadia on here. To join us for this beautiful exploration of leadership and embodiments and the Magdalene [00:00:30] mysteries, and who even knows where we're gonna go with this?

[00:00:32] Catarina Andrade: Nadia, I don't know, do you? Who knows

[00:00:35] Catarina Andrade: that's the mystery. We've already talked about strippers, we've already talked about the heart. We can go anywhere. So yeah, for those of you who don't know Nadia yet, she is an embodiment and intimacy coach. And I'm gonna hand it over to you, Nadia, to just give us a little bit more of the juice of what you're up to these days and how you serve before we dive in.

[00:00:59] Nadia Munla: [00:01:00] Yeah, I love this. 'cause every time a different thing will come out, right? I've been essentially doing this work facilitating specifically women, dropping them deeper into their bodies for about 14 years now. So embodiment, facilitation of some sort really with a focus on archetypal and erotic expression.

[00:01:18] Nadia Munla: And this has shown up for me both in teaching group, classes and workshops, but also of course, I've had a one-on-one coaching practice [00:01:30] for about 10, 11 years now. And so between those two, doing live events. And also doing work with people in a very intimate setting. I tend to work with very, similar tools and themes around disconnection from the body, disconnection from the heart, disconnection from our arrows, and how the reconnection to all of these pieces.

[00:01:55] Nadia Munla: Essentially finding our unique way of doing it is really such a [00:02:00]beautiful key into not only upgrading our own lives and our own personal experience of our pleasure and power and presence, but it's also very planetary. So to me, the reason I do this is okay. Yeah, sure. I love to see a woman. Feeling way more electrified and alive and excited and in her, her power.

[00:02:22] Nadia Munla: But I also find that when. All of us get to [00:02:30] connect deeper with our own bodies, which are part of the collective body. It becomes a planetary awakening. It becomes a planetary revolution. And so that's really the fire that I guess burns in my belly and my heart and keeps me going on a bigger scale.

[00:02:46] Catarina Andrade: I love that it gets me, like I get so turned on when you say that I get turned on by it, right?

[00:02:56] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. What else do we wanna be on fire for [00:03:00] besides, this planetary revolution? I think there are. Very few people, hopefully, that are awake and aware in this time that aren't seeing the crumbling that's happening in this moment, which is not a surprise. We want it, we need the restructuring, but then how do we actually be with it in our lives and in our bodies?

[00:03:20] Catarina Andrade: I think that's one of the number one questions. And also, all what I'm always talking about is how do we keep our heart open no matter what, that's like the [00:03:30] mantra, to stay open no matter what. And I think this is part of the answer. It's the key.

[00:03:36] Nadia Munla: Yeah, I tell people all the time, you gotta go to the embodiment and energetic gym.

[00:03:41] Nadia Munla: Essentially, you have to do the reps where we have to learn how to hold more and more intensity in our bodies. So whether I'm working one-on-one with just someone you know, private coaching client, or if I'm training someone in my facilitator training, and specifically for anyone who I'm training as a facilitator, I'm like, your personal [00:04:00] practice.

[00:04:00] Nadia Munla: Is what's going to take you farther in facilitating other people's transformation, which, seems obvious, right? But we really have to understand if we don't embrace our own messy, if we don't go into all of the full range of our expression, if there are still parts of us we don't accept, or there's a notch of volume, level of intensity that we can't be with.

[00:04:23] Nadia Munla: Without closing, which is a very natural response. Like it's okay to, feel like, ah, and numb out [00:04:30] or close your heart in the face of something that feels threatening. But the more you go and do the reps, so to speak, and I know that sounds like really masculine when we're in such a feminine conversation.

[00:04:42] Nadia Munla: But it is, it's discipline, it's masculine, and it's important for us to be cultivating those capacities in order for us to, I mean, this is the moment right now in the world with all the chaos. The last five years have really challenged us. We're going, [00:05:00] oh my God, every year there's something new, and this is happening now.

[00:05:03] Nadia Munla: Now we've got this. Now we've got that, and there's, gut wrenching heartbreak that we have to experience in the face of witnessing so much chaos and tragedy, and yet. This is what we are training for because the truth is, I don't know, it's gonna get better next year, guys. Like it can get better inside of [00:05:30] you, but there's gonna be a long period of, like you said, there's this crumbling and this deteriorating of the systems.

[00:05:37] Nadia Munla: And thank God, because that's the only way, and this is so much about like the Magdalene path, is that it's about, okay, how do I let it all fall away? And how do I keep my heart open in the process of this in order to rebuild? And so we wanna be sticking around for the rebuilding, or let's say it happens like way later in our lives or [00:06:00] past our lives.

[00:06:01] Nadia Munla: We have, moved through the world with the transmission of being, with the intensity of all and still emanating unconditional love. To the best that we can because we're humans. And of course that's a whole different thing. Conditional love is also part of the experience. But I don't know where I ended up. I somehow, I, we're here now, yeah.

[00:06:23] Catarina Andrade: No, I love that. I love that we just dive right in because I think it's really easy to stay on the [00:06:30] surface level. That's, I think, what we see in Instagram land and in, this mainstream coaching industry now is. Especially when it comes to embodiment, especially when it comes to erotic embodiment, that sells as well, and it's also, there's so much beauty there.

[00:06:47] Catarina Andrade: It's not to judge it, but it's to really connect to what you said from the beginning. It's and why are we doing this? And what is the medicine here? And that the beauty of that medicine is that it doesn't just start with us. We [00:07:00] have this whole lineage of, we have the rose lineage, we have the ISIS lineage that's connected to that.

[00:07:05] Catarina Andrade: We, we've been doing this for a while, this work of embodiment. And I think, what's so powerful and important about doing this work is when we look at. What actually was used to suppress and disempower, and oppress for many thousands of years was taking exactly this away from the feminine, which is the erotic power [00:07:30] the pleasure.

[00:07:30] Catarina Andrade: This aspect of the sacred sexuality that was taken away. And we all know that's why Mary Magdalene was cast as a prostitute and all of that. It was exactly this desecration of the sacred around this topic. And so there's no way we can talk about power. There's no way we can talk about leadership without having this conversation when, without doing this work.

[00:07:54] Catarina Andrade: And so I think for me that just, comes more and more. I think we're also in this [00:08:00] beautiful, venus in Aries cycle that we've entered into for the next many months. And there's just like this sacred warrior fire, this sacred warrior ooh, how are we working with this fire, with this anger, with this rage and transmuting it?

[00:08:15] Catarina Andrade: And there's so much goodness here. 

[00:08:18] Nadia Munla: Yeah. 

[00:08:19] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. 

[00:08:20] Nadia Munla: I think that, that. There's so many different versions, of course, of what the story really was with Mary Magdalene and [00:08:30] I really encourage everyone to, through their body, connect to what resonates for them. And so for me, I've read different books.

[00:08:42] Nadia Munla: I've listened to different. Podcasts and YouTube videos and kinda did my own self-education because I haven't particularly gone through a mystery school myself. I feel like my life is one big mystery school, so I feel more than that's more than enough. So I [00:09:00] and I just would listen to my body and I would go, okay, this feels really true, or this just has medicine for me.

[00:09:05] Nadia Munla: Whether it was factually true or not, because I think so much of this is about just working with an archetypal energy. And I think with Mary Magdalene, there's this piece that I find really interesting around. The risk she took to be misunderstood, there's this way in which her, the [00:09:30] purpose, the path of the heart was all that really mattered.

[00:09:34] Nadia Munla: And even if that meant. No one really got it or didn't get it for a while, or didn't get it for thousands of years, or then she got pushed out and now is just getting a glow up, know what, but like coming back in because we so need that energy, right? And no matter what was in the face of her mission, it didn't stop [00:10:00] her.

[00:10:00] Nadia Munla: And there's something about that I really draw a lot of inspiration from that. Okay, yeah, I'll be misjudged. Mislabeled, misunderstood. But I know what's true in my heart and I think it's so important, especially in the day, an age of social media and where our minds and kind of brains and nervous systems have gotten to the place of it.

[00:10:22] Nadia Munla: Even those of us who are like, oh yeah, I don't care what people think and I don't care about likes and I don't care about this and that, it's like there is just [00:10:30] by virtue of the fact that we're consuming social media, it's going to affect our brain and nervous system in such a way that, we forget on a subconscious level that we sometimes are performing, that we sometimes are not actually fully showing up uncensored and raw because of the fear of being misunderstood, canceled, judged, whatever it might be.

[00:10:54] Nadia Munla: And my sense is she just didn't give a fuck. She was like, yeah, we're here. And not in a, Hey, I don't give a [00:11:00] fuck, way. . But it's more just like she knew what was true.

[00:11:04] Nadia Munla: She had connected so deeply to her heart that she knew what was true and she was willing to do whatever it took. And I think that's medicine that we can really. Use to fuel our own mission, and to help nourish our hearts. In times when we're looking around and going what's the point?

[00:11:22] Nadia Munla: Do I even have a purpose? And what's, how do I help? All the people in pain in the world and oh my God, it [00:11:30] just keeps getting more and more chaotic and it's so easy for our nervous systems to shut down in the face of that because we were not meant to be consuming news from all around the world, right?

[00:11:40] Nadia Munla: Like we're supposed to only know what's happening in our village and handle like. One grief event at a time. Okay, the one elder is dying, or I don't know, something happening in the village, right? But not oh my God, everyone's problems everywhere in every country, and you can just access it by opening your phone as you're [00:12:00] having your morning coffee.

[00:12:01] Nadia Munla: And then you wonder, oh my God, why am I so frazzled? Or why am I numbing out? Or why am I doing this? We're not used to that, but we're working with the technology we have in the times that we have. And so what we have to do is we have to double down on our ability to be with that information and the intense emotions that come from consuming that information.

[00:12:20] Nadia Munla: Obviously we can also consume less of it, if we are consuming it and we want to be staying up to date with what's going on, how do we work with, what comes [00:12:30] up as a result of that and how does it not? Pull us off center or off the path that we're trying to, pave. So 

[00:12:38] Catarina Andrade: I love that. And on top of that, what then we have the added.

[00:12:43] Catarina Andrade: Question now, which I'm seeing more and more of like just being in the scroll and being like, wait a second, that's not a human, like that's artificial. And so we also have that coming in and so that's what really struck me as you were talking as well, is. [00:13:00] The truth, a lot of what we talk about here in the Miracle Zone Podcast is frequency, and there's just that frequency of the truth and of us being able to feel that in those people that we are relating to in social media when we're listening to something, when there is so much misinformation is how do I come back to me and actually feel what is true in a world where that is no longer?

[00:13:27] Catarina Andrade: A given ever, and it will [00:13:30] be less and less over time. And I think it's also really important when we think about our work that we do and our business as well, because our ability to be in this frequency of being an embodiment of the truth of love, because of their one and the same. Is also how we can connect to our clients and how people are drawn to us as well when they're also swimming around in a world of illusion and [00:14:00] misinformation too.

[00:14:01] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. So I'm a little curious to hear a bit from you about, so I know that you also work with a lot of leaders and women who also, run businesses and support them with the embodiment work. So I'm curious to hear a little bit about, what that looks like in terms of why this is so important specifically for us in our leadership, in our day-to-day, running of our business.

[00:14:28] Catarina Andrade: Like why does it. [00:14:30] Why does it even matter so much? 'Cause I think it's easy to be like, if I want, a sacred partnership or like love obviously it matters, but from a leadership perspective and a business perspective, why does this work matter? Yeah. 

[00:14:44] Nadia Munla: It's so important because.

[00:14:46] Nadia Munla: My whole thing is really about teaching wholeness and I know there was like such a trendy moment of it's all about the feminine. And even though in certain areas of my life I'm like [00:15:00] super primarily operating in my feminine. There's other areas of my life I'm very much operating in my masculine.

[00:15:07] Nadia Munla: And ideally there's a place where. I'm pulling in on all of these, these different energies, and those are actually four because I split them up into quadrants. There's a static and dynamic expression of the feminine and the static and dynamic expression of the masculine. And just like to give, if someone hasn't heard about this [00:15:30] before I'll give like a one sentence of what each of those are, just so that we can anchor into the concept.

[00:15:36] Nadia Munla: So basically. When your static masculine is very much about the oak tree energy, right? It's about holding, it's about being the vessel containment. Then you've got dynamic masculine is very much about, so it's arrow energy from point A to B. It expresses, it moves it's penetration, so to [00:16:00] speak.

[00:16:00] Nadia Munla: Right? And then we've got with the the, static feminine is very much about receptivity. It's about just kinda, if you think about, just like laying back in Shavasana and receiving, right? That's very much the static feminine and then the dynamic feminine is expression. So it's the water that flows inside the container.

[00:16:22] Nadia Munla: The energy, the aeros that moves and animate something, right? It's what's within it's very much a [00:16:30] moving, watery, kind of expressive energy. And so if we just think about those four, all of us have these, but for some of us, we just don't work one muscle as much as the other. And so a lot of my work is, especially if you're training with me as a facilitator.

[00:16:48] Nadia Munla: Is to get clear on, okay, where for you is the area that feels a little bit atrophied or weaker as a muscle? And let's work on that. Because for [00:17:00] example, when you were talking about, okay how do you help clients who are also going through these chaotic times? It's they're coming in and they're probably gonna be very much in their dynamic feminine, right?

[00:17:09] Nadia Munla: They're expressing their feeling. They're like, oh my god. And so for you. You are not gonna fully just be in static masculine, but bringing in the kind of holding space. When we talk about a space holder, it's literally the container, right? You're coming in, you're grounding their energy, you're [00:17:30] holding their energy, you're also a witness.

[00:17:32] Nadia Munla: All of this is that containment. But you also wanna be empathizing and listening, right? So there is like a feminine component to it. It's not like you're just there. Like I am just the observer. Witnessing and listening. So it's really important. And then of course there's, I mean there's all these different ways.

[00:17:51] Nadia Munla: It's a dance of like, when do you tap into which energy, how much of each one there is? And you're never conscious. Like I'm never sitting in a coaching [00:18:00] session with my client going, okay, let me up the notch on the masculine here and let me bring it down there. But you just I just pictured you, I just pictured you 

[00:18:08] Catarina Andrade: like a DJ on a dashboard.

[00:18:10] Catarina Andrade: Exactly. Yeah. It's because that's actually 

[00:18:12] Nadia Munla: what's happening. In the board behind, behind the scenes. But when you've practiced it enough and you understand it, you'll know what to bring into the moment and it will just start to happen naturally. The same way that when you first start learning dance moves, it's awkward, and then over time it [00:18:30] just becomes natural and you can bring your own unique version of it in, which is also part of it.

[00:18:34] Nadia Munla: It's like you're not meant to be exactly 25%, 25%. Like you also are, every single facilitator has their own unique magic, which is so much of what I'm also really passionate about is I cannot stand all these trainings where people come out like little clones of whoever's running the training. And I get that's step one.

[00:18:55] Nadia Munla: And I'm okay if it's step one, but the problem is I see a lot of those people just [00:19:00] stick to teaching the same teachings. They're, they can be really amazing teachings. There's work I've done with a certain lineage where I'm like, this has changed a huge chunk of my life and my intimacy and my relating, but then I kinda see.

[00:19:15] Nadia Munla: Everyone who trains under that lineage just doing the same thing over and over again. And I'm like, but I want your flavor of it, and so what I really enjoy doing and what I try to focus on [00:19:30] my trainings is giving you universal principles like these, like the static dynamic. And then you get to create your own unique version of that, including like your body of work and how you wanna show up and how you facilitate your style, your kind of events that it, I just, I'm like, why we're all, this is such a huge value of mine that we're here.

[00:19:54] Nadia Munla: Embodied expression is about the freedom to be yourself. Not to just be like cookie [00:20:00] cuttering, someone else's modality. And so I think that's also a huge part of it is being the embodiment of your authenticity is a huge part of being a good embodiment facilitator, is you're modeling permission and truth to the people that you are sharing space with.

[00:20:19] Nadia Munla: And that in itself is. I think gonna change someone else's life. 'cause then you become a walking permission slip for them to be themselves. And we all know, since we're talking about frequency, that [00:20:30] authenticity, They've been saying that there's been studies who knows where those studies came from and that, I don't quote me on it, but like I've heard that there are studies about that now the authenticity is a higher frequency than love.

[00:20:43] Nadia Munla: I don't know, because like you said, love and truth and authenticity to me are all the same bucket. But there it's up there, right? They're all in the high vibe. Yeah. All the high vibe sections there too. Yeah. You know what I mean? So we're in the high vibes. As long as you're in the high vibe section, you're good.

[00:20:58] Catarina Andrade: And so it's like [00:21:00] you can't be in love and you can't really be in joy if you're not also being in authenticity because then. There's just a misalignment there, so it's it's the same conversation in many 

[00:21:11] Nadia Munla: ways. I agree with you. I agree. I think that, and I'd be curious to get into the minutia of what those studies are, but needless to say, we're in the high frequency club, which is wonderful, and the more we're all in the high frequency club, then life is [00:21:30] gonna be so much better.

[00:21:30] Nadia Munla: The world is going to be better. We're gonna make better decisions, we're all gonna feel better. We're going to, counteract the EMFs if we're going to do whatever we need to do to keep things up here and high vibe. And I do think that's really important. Times like this when there's equal amounts of low frequencies that are really pulling us down trying.

[00:21:52] Nadia Munla: They're fighting for our consciousness and our psyche. So it's really important for us to stay up here, [00:22:00] which includes creating and curating experiences for people. To find themselves and to be okay with, themselves and to even not just be okay and accept themselves, but actually celebrate and brag and love up on themselves and just yeah, be unapologetically, unabashedly themselves.

[00:22:22] Nadia Munla: That's my, it's my favorite thing to watch that. 

[00:22:25] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. And the power goes hand in hand with the pleasure [00:22:30]and with the play. Again, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful little cocktail there. And I'd love to hear a little bit about, so there's this, there's the aspect that we've been talking about and there's also the aspect of bringing the sacred and experiencing the sacred through the body itself.

[00:22:48] Catarina Andrade: So I'm curious to hear a little bit around that, because I think. For me, it's been a beautiful journey of learning that through experience and [00:23:00] coming to terms with the sacred first up here when it first came into my space, and then getting more grounded and rooted in more and yeah. But why, why is this the portal like this? Why is this the portal? 

[00:23:19] Nadia Munla: Why? I don't know, but I can tell you how because this is what we got. This is what we're working with here, and I think that [00:23:30] it's. It's such an interesting mechanism to take away the power of people by saying, Hey, you have to connect with God through an operator, through a third party.

[00:23:47] Nadia Munla: When of course you can connect to God within, you can connect to, God. Outside, which is within, how meta to get into this, right? Because we are [00:24:00] God. And so it's like, why the body? Because this is what we can feel and sense and when we feel and sense our existence, not like it's too philosophical, right?

[00:24:15] Nadia Munla: But that's when we can feel and sense God because our existence is. God, so it, there's not really a division here at all in and I think that has [00:24:30] been the number one thing that has really messed with people over the hundreds, thousands of years is. This idea that you have to go somewhere or you have to have certain accessories and or you have to, have a certain person that's hierarchically above you to access the divine.

[00:24:52] Nadia Munla: When. Really all you need is to connect to your breath, to feel your inhale, to feel [00:25:00] your exhale, to slow down enough to not just be operating in the autopilot 3D and to just be like, actually, when I slow down enough, and for everyone that's different, right? Some people it's stillness. Some people it's through movement.

[00:25:17] Nadia Munla: Some people it's through sex. Some people it's through nature. Maybe all of the above, but when we slow down enough to connect with the truth that everything always [00:25:30]has been and always will be, and that there isn't really a beginning, middle, and an end or a timeline, and that there isn't really just now like when we just really get into.

[00:25:41] Nadia Munla: , This place where everything intersects I don't know how else to explain it. Then

[00:25:47] Catarina Andrade: in the Miracle Zone. 

[00:25:47] Nadia Munla: In the miracle zone, that's it. That's when we're connecting to, to. God, the miracle. And so to me, I think that, what I came here on earth to do, to [00:26:00] experience and then to allow other people to experience is specifically the path of deepening through your senses.

[00:26:05] Nadia Munla: So using taste, touch, smells movement, sound all of that to get you deeper into the present moment and. Through certain channeled works, right? The story of Mary Magdalene too is one that she had walked the path of the Tantrika, that she was part of a mystery school that was very much about [00:26:30] inner alchemy, and this is so much of the work that I've always done, but.

[00:26:34] Nadia Munla: At the beginning didn't necessarily have a language for it, and it was more like, oh, this is embodied expression. And it's oh yeah, , why are we expressing through our, why are we doing this? We're doing this because one, we want to be with what is, but by being with what is, having the space to be with what it is when, and it's is that society, we don't actually, we're constantly being told, go to the next thing, go to the next thing.

[00:26:57] Nadia Munla: Right? There's not, there aren't spaces to just [00:27:00] be. And check in oh my God, how am I feeling? Like women always come to me and I'm like, oh, do you ever have space to just slow down and be like to check in what's going on over here? No, because we have a million things we have to do in capitalism and as a mom, as a whatever business owner.

[00:27:15] Nadia Munla: And having that sacred space to slow down and be with what is, and then to use breath as the catalyst and sound and movement. But breath is step one to really start to alchemize and transform [00:27:30] even through just your being. By breathing into a spot, you start to shift. It by breathing into emotion, you start to shift it.

[00:27:38] Nadia Munla: And you can also go in with the intention of shifting it, but even without the intention of shifting it, the long, if you're there long enough, it's gonna shift. It's gonna alchemize. And so this was so much of the work. That, again, according to these channel works, which to me was what really resonated as truth, right?

[00:27:55] Nadia Munla: But that she was a practitioner of this and that [00:28:00] her anyashua really were doing a lot of that work together. So they were like literally embodiment polarity partners, like according to this particular, channeled work. And i'm like, that checks out in my body. And whether it's the factual truth or not, right?

[00:28:16] Nadia Munla: Like what I said earlier, if we use just that as archetypal medicine, as like a north star for us, we go, oh heaven. Is actually inside of us. We just need to find it. [00:28:30] This was one of, again, I'm not like, I'm literally wearing an Allah necklace like I grew up, I'm technically, Muslim, I'm not, obviously not practicing being that I'm also a sensuality, erotic and pole dancing instructor.

[00:28:41] Nadia Munla: But but in Lebanon, where I come from, when you're born into a religion, you are that religion like your whole life unless you specifically convert to something else. And I wear this. This necklace, which just for me is connected to my heritage. And my mother wore it for so long, even though she was Christian.

[00:28:59] Nadia Munla: [00:29:00] So that's the whole thing. But, so the reason I say that is because, one, I just like to keep to, just to remember that, God is by, is in my heart. And that the, I never, I'm sharing this because I never grew up like with any kind of Christian teachings. I've never read the Bible.

[00:29:18] Nadia Munla: I don't know all the details. So everything that I know is learned from someone else, or, I hear about this idea that, Jesus said like heaven or one of the teachings is that I don't actually, I'm [00:29:30] gonna slaughter it completely because I don't know it.

[00:29:32] Nadia Munla: But essentially, you know about like, where are we finding heaven? And so much of what Mary Magdalene was trying to explain to the other apostles was like. Yo, it's in your, it's inside guys. Like we're not, there's nowhere. We're not going anywhere. There's not, and the same thing with the idea of, Jesus rising is this idea of can we find that unconditional Christlike frequency inside of us?

[00:29:58] Nadia Munla: That's how I interpret it. [00:30:00] Now. I don't know what's going on in the traditional religion, whatnot, and there's, it's a blessing that I never had to, so one, I didn't have to deprogram it, but two. Again, my style of spirituality has always been like, I just do it my way and I take what I want and I leave what I don't, and I'm really bored of reading historical texts.

[00:30:18] Nadia Munla: Like it's just not my thing. But then when I read something and I'm just like, zz. Something about the frequency of this channeled work feels really true. And and then I just pay attention because if nothing else, it has medicine for [00:30:30] me. And if anything for listeners, I would invite you to just use that same methodology.

[00:30:35] Nadia Munla: What, where do you get magnetized go there. What kind of like dings you go there? What has you start to vibrate in your body? Go there, and just pay attention because probably there's something there for you. It might not be the same thing that's there for me, but it's something that's guiding you in the direction of some kind of truth or lesson or something that you need for yourself, and how do you feel that?

[00:30:58] Nadia Munla: You feel that through the body. But if [00:31:00] you are numbed out. And not paying attention, and you're not used to checking in and learning. Okay, what is the language of my body? How does my body say go there? How does my body say stop? How does my body go? Yay. If you haven't spent enough time with her, right?

[00:31:15] Nadia Munla: Like, how are you gonna know? And so that's so much of the practice too, is that it becomes such a beautiful compass and ally in your life to take you in the direction that is actually meant for. For you, but also it just becomes more pleasurable. Not initially. 'cause I gotta [00:31:30] tell you guys, I'm not gonna try to sell you like whatever.

[00:31:33] Nadia Munla: But it's hard. And I think the whole path of embodiment and the tantric path, the Magdalene path, like it's all the same thing to me. It's it's once you start to accept what is a lot of what is. It sucks or hurts or is painful, and that's okay because you get to a point, and this is what it comes down to when you get to mastery of this, when you've really been doing the reps at the embodiment gym, you start to [00:32:00] not be scared of those emotions because you also understand the power of inner alchemy and you understand that, okay?

[00:32:08] Nadia Munla: Wow, the, I feel like I'm gonna drown. I'm gonna, I think I might die today from this level of physical pain or emotional pain or whatever. I don't even think I'm gonna make it. But when you've gone through that initiation many times and you've learned about the power of your breath and your body and movement and sound, and you come out on the other side and you're like, woo, wow, I just moved that.

[00:32:29] Nadia Munla: [00:32:30] And sometimes that happens in an hour. Sometimes it takes a year, guys. I'm just not, I'm not gonna sell you like quick fixes here. This is not what I do. I go deep and I go. Slow, but it's effective. It's effective because then when, like when you come back to another chapter of that, because you're gonna have those good moments and those bad seasons and it's just gonna keep going.

[00:32:49] Catarina Andrade: They're spiraling. They're gonna keep spiraling, 

[00:32:52] Nadia Munla: right? And so what keeps you going? You know what? I got this, whatever comes, I got this. It's the resilience that comes with knowing I have inner [00:33:00] alchemy and I have capacity. That's it. 

[00:33:03] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. And what's on the other side. What's available. That is the true liberation, what's on the other side.

[00:33:09] Catarina Andrade: And so we're willing to go to those places even when there's trauma. Even when they're suffering, even when there's, you were saying earlier, it's about feeling where we're feeling, feeling called and dinged, it's also really important to notice when your body says no, there's the things that call our attention through, Ooh, that's interesting. Or, I'm getting a little ping. But then there's the no's, there's the, I don't [00:33:30] wanna look there's. And there's that shadow piece. And I think that's also what you're alluding to is we don't wanna sell people on this is all fun and fluffy and, ecstatic all the time.

[00:33:39] Catarina Andrade: Yeah. It's no it's because we're noticing in our bodies what's a yes. Also what's a no that we want to explore and soften into and create spaciousness in for when we're ready and when we do find these safe spaces. Held by other facilitators and held by ourselves, or held by a [00:34:00] safe partner, whatever that is, when we're ready to do that work as well.

[00:34:04] Catarina Andrade: So I think it is, yeah, it's just this really discerning listening of our body and it also is what allows us to be accessing and tapping into these, the micro moments where we feel the all, where we feel the love, where we are really that embodiment of. Of love and motion and love and action. So I'm curious to hear from you, just before we wrap [00:34:30] up, what does this look like in your day to day life?

[00:34:33] Catarina Andrade: Like how do you. Do your reps now that you've been doing it for decades upon, I wanna say decades upon millennia. 

[00:34:44] Nadia Munla: Here's the thing. It's like you come and you go. It's the spiraling in the seasons. So there's seasons where. I feel there's not much practice I need to do. I'm just operating very present in my body.

[00:34:58] Nadia Munla: Everything I'm doing from folding [00:35:00] the laundry to do, the mundane stuff I'm like in my body. And then there's times where I can even be on the mat practicing doing some kind of, non-linear feminine movement, which is just basically means I put on a playlist of some of my favorite songs and I just start off by, following.

[00:35:19] Nadia Munla: First of all, I just ground and breathe and then I follow like a pleasurable stretch followed by another stretch. And then I just listen to what my body needs to do. And often I [00:35:30] just end up in a zone of moving from one shape, one stretch, one whatever to another for 30, 45 minutes. And sometimes even I'm doing that and I'm like.

[00:35:42] Nadia Munla: I don't like it. I don't feel it. I'm, I don't, which is way worse for me than feeling a lot of anger or feeling a lot of frustration, which is different, right? Because then I'm still feeling it and expressing it and it's moving out of me versus just being like, I don't know. I just [00:36:00] just, I'm just.

[00:36:01] Nadia Munla: Here, but I'm not, but I am. And the worst is obviously when you start to go into, you realize 10 minutes in, you're like, oh, wow. I literally just was like. Going through the list of things I need to buy for the groceries, and I just thought about this horrible conversation I had the other day that the tab hasn't closed.

[00:36:21] Nadia Munla: When you just go into the mental space,

[00:36:22] Nadia Munla: it's come back. Yeah, come back. I then. Technically practicing embodiment as a practitioner [00:36:30] for 18, 19 years. The fact that we even have to say I'm an embodiment practitioner is hilarious, but this is the times we're in.

[00:36:36] Nadia Munla: But that's something where I've been like actively had some kind of practice for this long. But like I'll go through all kinds of periods where sometimes I'm like, wow. You. That's interesting. And then periods where I drop in more. And I think part of understanding your body too is also trusting the intelligence and wisdom of your body, which is sometimes the numbing out is part of what [00:37:00] she knows is.

[00:37:00] Nadia Munla: Best. It's not always the worst thing in the world. You don't always have to be like, oh my God, I'm so connected and tantric and like breathing and moaning and whatever. Ugh, no, sometimes that is not the, there's a place not to do it, one of, one of my teachers, Mikayla Bone, would talk about that, where she was like you don't go into a boardroom.

[00:37:21] Nadia Munla: As much as we'd all like to and just be like, ecstatic and moaning the way you would on a mat doing feminine practice. You just like shift gears a [00:37:30] little and that's okay. It's not a bad thing. It doesn't mean you're not connected. And so I think the other piece that's really important, very empowering is to understand when to turn up the dial and turn it down, but to have access to the dial because most people come to me because they don't have access to the dial.

[00:37:44] Nadia Munla: They're like, oh. I want to feel more central and erotic. I just can't even find the station. I don't know where, how to get there, frequency wise versus other. I think when you're empowered and you've been practicing it, what you can do is you can decide when to turn it up, [00:38:00] when to turn it down.

[00:38:01] Nadia Munla: I don't wanna turn it up at the grocery store and have there's days where I'm like I don't wanna get hit on other days I go to the grocery store and I wanna get hit on. So turn the turn it up. But it's like having access to that is what makes you feel truly free because you know you can do what you want when you want it.

[00:38:19] Nadia Munla: Instead of going, oh, I would like to feel more sensual, but I just feel awkward, or I feel disconnected, or I feel numb. That's when we feel disempowered and that can, [00:38:30] that can really feel painful for people and that's why people, it's part of why people come to me is either because they're trying to help facilitate an experience for their clients or have that issue, or they're coming to me because they themselves have that issue.

[00:38:44] Catarina Andrade: I love that. I love that. I love that you talked about the dial. So one of the things that I'm facilitating soon is something called pillar of light. And I don't talk about as much of a dial, but I talk about the circuit board because it's more about how to create capacity in this body [00:39:00] for more light to pulse through it.

[00:39:03] Catarina Andrade: But it's it's like we gotta think about the actual capacity of the circuit board, and this is just another beautiful visual. It's yes, it's like the capacity of us as a vessel of light, but then there's also this dial of okay, but how am I working with, how I want that to show up, especially in my embodiment, in my sensuality, in my power.

[00:39:26] Catarina Andrade: It could be erotic, but it could also be other types of power. It's like I get to [00:39:30] choose, and that's like another level of, it's not just about expanding it to max capacity, but it's also being able to tone it. And to tweak it and to make it work for us when we want. So I love that.

[00:39:42] Catarina Andrade: So I wanted to ask you before we complete, you mentioned your embodiment training. I know you have a beautiful body of work and legacy that you've been weaving. Can you just share a little bit about that in case anybody was interested? Is interested in reaching out to you? 

[00:39:58] Nadia Munla: Yeah. More than happy to.[00:40:00]

[00:40:00] Nadia Munla: Yeah. So Embody Remix is the name of my facilitator training. It's it's something I've run for eight rounds now, but this round is remixed because I've completely shifted. I've really expanded and upgraded the curriculum to focus a lot more on. Erotic and tantric practices as well as creating your own body of work.

[00:40:24] Nadia Munla: So the original facilitator training is a little bit more focused on, just learning [00:40:30] how to draw people into their bodies. What is the art and science, the nervous system piece of it? The music and fun piece of it, the archetypal expression piece of it, and and that was really beautiful and is still the.

[00:40:42] Nadia Munla: The kind of core of it, but essentially we're adding in all these new expanded pieces now. So much so that a lot of my previously certified teachers have already signed up for the new program, which is really fun. Oh, amazing. Amazing. So in a way, even though it's another round it's, it feels like it's a little bit [00:41:00] more.

[00:41:00] Nadia Munla: Advanced, I would say, or a little bit more just deeper. 'cause I'm a depth junkie. I just keep going deeper. I'm like, let's go. How much deeper can we go? And the idea is really that it focuses, on supporting space holders, leaders, guides, coaches, therapists, anyone who kind of works in this world to work specifically with taking their clients out of their mental space more deeply into their embodied experience.

[00:41:27] Nadia Munla: How to facilitate group [00:41:30] workshops and events and movement sessions and different kinds of movement sessions. Are you working with, a space that's, the femme only. Are you working with a space that's co-ed? Is it big? Is it small? Are you working one-on-one with a client? And how to adjust when you're working one-on-one with a client.

[00:41:46] Nadia Munla: In terms of that level of intimacy. So we cover all of these things as well as like the embodied sales, because I think that's a big one that not a lot of people talk about. Oh, such a 

[00:41:55] Catarina Andrade: big deal. 

[00:41:56] Nadia Munla: Yeah. Really how to drop into, again, those different [00:42:00] energies that we talked about earlier when you are selling and the idea being that you become so masterful at what you facilitate, that your marketing becomes breeze, because I'm not really great. I'm not like a content creator. Marketing's not really my thing, and the way that I've kept my practice going has been by delivering really good at fantastic experiences. Not good. I shouldn't say that. They're fantastic. They're trans, they're transformative. And so I want the same for other people because once you become that [00:42:30] good.

[00:42:31] Nadia Munla: It takes the pressure off of, having to run around and do all these other things like reels on Instagram and whatever that I can't do personally. I'm just like, knock it up. 

[00:42:40] Catarina Andrade: So it's cultivating that presence. Yeah, that presence. Yeah. That just captivates. 

[00:42:46] Nadia Munla: Yeah. Which is the old school way that we did it.

[00:42:48] Nadia Munla: We forget, we're like Instagram. I actually started my coaching practice before Instagram was a thing. And so how did we, how did coaches exist back then? Word of mouth. That was it. Most of my clients are repeat clients or [00:43:00] referrals. It really is a business model that works and, Instagram's gonna die soon.

[00:43:04] Nadia Munla: So anyways, we went on a tangent. The point is that I love to train a very small cohort of 10 people. You get direct feedback from me every single time on every piece of homework, on everything. So it's really very much like a mastermind. And we start in September. And we've got a few more spots left, so if anyone's listening is interested I'm sure in the show notes we'll have a link to the page to get all the details and apply.[00:43:30]

[00:43:30] Nadia Munla: Yeah, that's kinda the big thing going on in my world. And I have a rotating open door for one-on-one coaching as well for anyone who just wants to have a classic. Unconventional life coach teaching them. That is something I love, love, love to do, and depending on whether I've availability or not, that can start and end at any time that people want.

[00:43:53] Catarina Andrade: Thank you so much, Nadia. I'm so happy to have been able to spend today with you. I know you've just [00:44:00] recently been to Southern France and you've been all up in the Magdalene. Code. Literally all of them. Energy. Like literally in the va. 

[00:44:07] Nadia Munla: Yep. 

[00:44:09] Catarina Andrade: The VA caves. And so I'm so happy to connect with you this week and check out her training.

[00:44:16] Catarina Andrade: Everyone. If you do decide to sign up, let her know you found out about her through the podcast and let me know so I can celebrate you. And also just know, 'cause there's always people asking for referrals for this type of work. It's so important [00:44:30] and. I will see everybody on the next episode. Thank you, Nadia, my love.

[00:44:36] Nadia Munla: Thank you so much. 

[00:44:38] Catarina Andrade: Bye. 

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